ironsofcanada
2:31 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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BRANDED 2:28 Fri Nov 1
Yep mate and people pay me to look up this interesting stuff.
Life is good.
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ironsofcanada
2:30 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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ChillTheKeel 2:13 Fri Nov 1
Of course it is. As much as current Halloween is. It was a thing over there and people were enjoying it and someone (probably because they though they could make money in both case) brought it over here.
What is the difference other than when it happened in history? One happened in your lifetime one did not, so one scares? offends? even just bothers you, one does not.
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BRANDED
2:28 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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YOu have to say for a foot picker IOC is a very interesting man.
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Side of Ham
2:24 Fri Nov 1
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Look, every chav cunt on here knows ALL big birds originated from ICELAND.
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ironsofcanada
2:23 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Moncurs Putting Iron 2:09 Fri Nov 1
Respectfully, not true.
Big birds were eaten by the absolute top of English society at many feasts - not just Christmas - as they were relatively rare and demonstrated conspicuous consumption, part of the points of the feast.
If the rest of society got meat at holy days, it was given by lord and could be whatever.
The tradition of big bird by the rest of us at Christmas specifically is newer than the introduction of the turkey.
Here is a verse from a Royalist ballad I love from the mid 17th century.
To conclude, I'le tell you news that's right, Christmas was kil'd at Naseby fight:
Charity was slain at that same time, Jack Tell troth too, a friend of mine,
Likewise then did die, rost beef and shred pie,
Pig, Goose and Capon no quarter found.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.
All those meats were associated with the "killed" Christmas, no single one.
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Side of Ham
2:13 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Oops, now the goal posts have been changed to 'large family sized bird', they won't let you win ioc.
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ChillTheKeel
2:13 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Turkey came from America as the whole two continents were called, often brought to England by traders from the Levant (hence the ignorant - turkey - name.
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Even if that's true, it's still not a fucking septic import is it?
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Block
2:11 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Cock measuring at it's finest here.
Who gives a shit, we all eat the same birds over the festive period and we all enjoy it.
Well, unless you're weird and only eat plants.
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Moncurs Putting Iron
2:09 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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A large family sized bird has been a long time British Christmas tradition
The breed of bird has been subject to change over the years
The Americas (as you seem to have taken up the cause IoC) gave us an extra option of food stuff they DID NOT give us the tradition.
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Side of Ham
2:04 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Chill you're being made into a gobbling mess here, and no Jezza posters to be seen in sight!
Could it be one of Chill's 'other idols' is Bernard Matthews?
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ironsofcanada
2:03 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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BRANDED 1:56 Fri Nov 1
Turkeys were as new England as your plastic Halloween stuff, at one point.
It was an American import and became a part of holiday practice.
Who knows what the future holds for Halloween in England.
The point is just because it wasn't here when you were a kid does not mean it won't become a part of some kid's tradition in 50 or 100 or 500 years.
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BRANDED
1:56 Fri Nov 1
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You're equation turkey's in England for 500 years against plastic corporate Halloween?
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ironsofcanada
1:53 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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ChillTheKeel 1:41 Fri Nov 1
Ha, no. Stick to thinking up "creative" insults for politicians and yelling them on the internet.
Turkey came from America as the whole two continents were called, often brought to England by traders from the Levant (hence the ignorant - turkey - name. Congrats you have match the ignorance of our 16th century fore bearers)
But the first turkeys in England that we know of were bought by an Englishman who bought them from Native Americans directly.
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ironsofcanada
1:45 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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BRANDED 1:37 Fri Nov 1
Bubbles being another American import, that is "traditional" for English people who follow West Ham, as much as anything can become traditional in 100 years. (We all have emotional ties to the club but the in English terms the history is of course pretty short)
It still means something to me.
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Block
1:43 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Did you dress up as Jeremy Corbyn?
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ChillTheKeel
1:41 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Stop changing the goalposts, blando!
You were saying Turkey for Christmas is a septic import. It's not. In fact it was a European import form the 1500s
THICK KNOB
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ironsofcanada
1:39 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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ChillTheKeel 1:32 Fri Nov 1
Good try again, turkey is not my argument it is an example.
No Christmas dinner in England included a turkey in 1500 but now it is "traditional" as demonstrated in a piece of important literature.
But the native of people of America did not exist? That is like saying there were no people in England before England was formed.
They were eating turkeys for many, many years.
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Lee Trundle
1:39 Fri Nov 1
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Roast Swan as well. It just goes to show how many centuries Poland is behind the rest of the world.
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Side of Ham
1:38 Fri Nov 1
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I think it was goose prior to that Chill.......
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BRANDED
1:37 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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I think the thing with any tradition is the ability for any large organisation to appropriate it for their own gain. Take Bubbles being sung. Or indeed any club song. The way its piped out with the most insipid version they could find relentlessly at the stadium could be described as a tradition but its just a vile corporatisation of fan behaviour.
"A tradition is the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.' Until it gets appropriated of course then it becomes a consumer engagement led by marketing.
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ChillTheKeel
1:32 Fri Nov 1
Re: Halloween is bollocks
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Turkey is your argument? Brits were eating turkey for Christmas before America even existed you utter div.
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